About the show

The podcast where we talk about things we're not supposed to, learn how to have difficult conversations, and talk to people about what makes them different.

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  • 025: Our Better Angels with Paul Kirst

    March 1st, 2020  |  57 mins 44 secs

    In this episode I talk with Paul Kirst about his work with Better Angels to teach and promote dialogue across the red and blue divide. We also discuss civil wars both past and future and what they might teach us.
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  • Episode 24: 024: Civic Engagement with Erin Payseur Oeth

    February 23rd, 2020  |  1 hr 7 mins

    In this episode I talk to Erin Payseur Oeth about how to get beyond the binary in our discussions, being co-creators of the communities where we live, and we reveal the hidden truth that… the government is us!

  • 023: LGBTQ Identities with Rev Erica Lea Simka

    February 16th, 2020  |  1 hr 10 mins

    In this episode I talk to Pastor Erica Lea Simka about LGBTQ identities and terminology, practice introducing myself with my pronouns, get corrected more than once, and we almost have an altar call when she tells me about the antidote to call out...

  • 022: The Energy of Empathy with Michael Evans

    February 9th, 2020  |  1 hr 3 mins

    In this episode I talk to Michael Evans about empathy, what it is and how it works. We also talk about our feelings, why dads are the MOST emotional, and develop our new brand… the Baptist Buddha!

  • 021: All About Sex with Julie Jeske

    February 2nd, 2020  |  1 hr 27 secs

    Lucas talks with sex therapist Julie Jeske about how to talk about sex, why it's so difficult, and what the BDSM kink community can teach all of us about how to improve our relationships!

    Julie Jeske – http://juliejeske.com 

  • 020: Immigration with Anali Looper

    January 26th, 2020  |  53 mins 52 secs

    Lucas talks to immigration lawyer Anali Looper about why people migrate to other countries, myths about immigration, and we get down and dirty with the nitty-gritty details of the immigration system.

    American Gateways –...

  • 019: The Curiosity Hour with Tommy Estlund

    January 19th, 2020  |  55 mins 49 secs

    In this episode I talk to Tommy Estlund about his podcast the Curiosity Hour, how we know when to block or unfriend someone, and why we don’t want to be like Marty McFly.

  • 018: Unschooling with Pam Larrichia

    January 12th, 2020  |  56 mins 32 secs

    Lucas talks to Pam Larrichia about unschooling, awkward conversations about parenting, and ways we can work on connecting more with our kids and each other.

  • 017: Addicted to Hating Your Enemies with Geoff Holsclaw

    January 5th, 2020  |  1 hr 6 mins

    In this episode I talk with Geoff Holsclaw about why Facebook arguments are like heroin, understanding the ways our brains work, and when we should have enemies.

  • 016: Addiction and Recovery with Christina Gibson

    December 15th, 2019  |  59 mins 35 secs

    In this episode I talk to Christina Gibson about normalizing addiction and recovery, sitting with other people’s pain, and why I edit my podcast and she doesn’t.

  • 015: Beyond Shame with Matthias Roberts

    December 8th, 2019  |  47 mins 7 secs

    Lucas talks to Matthias Roberts about his new book Beyond Shame. Lucas also confesses that Matthias is his style guru and he has been stealing his haircut for years!

  • 014: Better Conversations with C. Christopher Smith

    December 2nd, 2019  |  1 hr 2 mins

    In this episode I talk to C. Christopher Smith about what he has learned from over a decade of intentional conversations in his church, different ways to make our conversations better, and I solve the mystery of his first initial.